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What say ye fellow Chipsters? Ok, you can pick apart Lucas's post-1981 work and I'd be the first to concede that both Star Wars and Indiana Jones got progressively worse from there, but dang...the first two SW movies are still brilliant and entertaining. Right? Or am I off my rocker here?

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Nothing will top the original Star Wars movies! I recently got my mum the Star Wars saga on Blu-Ray and we managed to watch all 6 movies in one week. It was fun. :)

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When I was 16 I watched the original trilogy in one sitting. That was intense; I know true SW fanboys will watch the entire saga in one sitting, but stamina problems aside, I don't think I could ever force myself to sit through Ep. II again. ;)

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When I was 16 I watched the original trilogy in one sitting. That was intense; I know true SW fanboys will watch the entire saga in one sitting, but stamina problems aside, I don't think I could ever force myself to sit through Ep. II again. ;)

 

The prequels in Star Wars are without a doubt worse for me. However, I think Revenge Of The Sith was pretty good, but still no match for A New Hope or Empire Strikes Back.

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I did like The Phantom Menace (though, admittedly, it's filled with crap); actually, I prefer it to Return Of The Jedi. Revenge Of The Sith wasn't *terrible*, but I had a lot of issues with it.

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I did like The Phantom Menace (though, admittedly, it's filled with crap); actually, I prefer it to Return Of The Jedi. Revenge Of The Sith wasn't *terrible*, but I had a lot of issues with it.

 

I hate The Phantom Menace for one reason... Jar Jar Binks! %28N%29.gif

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Yeah, Jar-Jar is terrible...all the same, the film's generally entertaining to watch (yay for Liam Neeson!)...unlike AOTC or the endless Endor scenes in ROTJ.

 

 

 

Jar-Jar > Ewoks.

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I think The Phantom Menace had problems that reached far beyond Jar Jar. :P

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I think The Phantom Menace had problems that reached far beyond Jar Jar. :P

 

Yeah, I didn't like the Anakin kid in there either. I liked the Pod Racing sequence though.

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Yeah, I didn't like the Anakin kid in there either. I liked the Pod Racing sequence though.

 

It wasn't just Anakin either...it was the fact that the fun, exciting story of the original trilogy was traded in for an overly political story whose opening crawl sounded like it came out of a history textbook.

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I think The Phantom Menace had problems that reached far beyond Jar Jar. :P

 

Agreed. But it also had virtues that reached far beyond the pod racing sequence.

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It wasn't just Anakin either...it was the fact that the fun, exciting story of the original trilogy was traded in for an overly political story whose opening crawl sounded like it came out of a history textbook.

 

...it's more George Lucas's inability to write convincing political drama that sunk the story, rather than some inherent problem in marrying politics to Star Wars.

 

Go to Youtube and watch the trailer for Ep. 1 again. Doesn't it seem like it could be the best film of them all? Seriously. When you watch it, try to forget what actually happened. Let your imagination fill in the blanks. It seems utterly incredible.

 

 

(Of course, then you go to see the actual film, and it's filled with ROTJ-like cartoonish "fights," midichlorians, and a pompous Jedi council that makes you root for the Sith.)

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Considering that the trailer has Jar Jar in it, I don't know...:) But you're right.

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...well, in the trailer, we don't see any of Jar-Jar's annoying antics. If you'd never seen TPM you'd barely notice him at all, and if you did, you'd assume that he was a C-3PO-like figure: a bit annoying, perhaps, but also entertaining and central to the story.

 

 

Now here's a question: is it possible to create a trailer for Return Of The Jedi that's as impressive as the TPM trailer?

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...well, in the trailer, we don't see any of Jar-Jar's annoying antics. If you'd never seen TPM you'd barely notice him at all, and if you did, you'd assume that he was a C-3PO-like figure: a bit annoying, perhaps, but also entertaining and central to the story.

 

 

Now here's a question: is it possible to create a trailer for Return Of The Jedi that's as impressive as the TPM trailer?

 

Trailers aren't everything though. Avatar's trailer looked amazing, but the movie wasn't that good. Weirdly enough, the sequels looked better than the prequels on Blu-Ray. :unsure:

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I think it'll almost always be possible to create amazing-looking trailers, but amazing movies are a completely different story.

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Am I the only one here who doesn't like any of the movies? Alright, A New Hope was fun, but the rest of them were just not intresting to me.

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Am I the only one here who doesn't like any of the movies? Alright, A New Hope was fun, but the rest of them were just not intresting to me.

 

Yeah. I don't know anyone who doesn't like Episodes 4, 5 and 6. I hope they re-release those 3 to the cinema. :)

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They're rereleasing each of the movies in 3-D in order, so we can at least say they're saving the best for last. :)

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They're rereleasing each of the movies in 3-D in order, so we can at least say they're saving the best for last. :)

 

Yeah, but nobody is going to see The Phantom Menace. Why do you do this to us, Mr. Lucas? :(

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Yeah, Lucas...when are you going to stop milking these movies for all they're wor - OH WHO CARES I'M SO THERE!!!

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...assuming I have enough $$$ to go to the movies (and assuming I can find a 3-d theatre around here), I'd go to see TPM.

 

 

Does anyone know if he's changing the movies again, or is the 3-d addition the only alteration?

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All except the last 2 were good, if you're going by the order the movies were made... (so episode 2 and 3)

 

But seriously, this is my favorite saga ever.

Next to LOTR of course.

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All except the last 2 were good, if you're going by the order the movies were made... (so episode 2 and 3)

 

But seriously, this is my favorite saga ever.

Next to LOTR of course.

 

Meh, I only liked the first Lord Of The Rings. The other two were ok, but not that great. The Extended Cuts were tough to get through.

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...am I the only person on earth who doesn't like LOTR at all?

 

Well, I consider the 2nd and 3rd ones really overrated. The first one is the only one I really liked.

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Oh and that's funny, because I really liked Lord of the Rings.

 

...am I the only person on earth who doesn't like LOTR at all?

 

No, but if you look at the huge sucess of it you're by far in the minority.

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I still like the first LOTR film the most. All three are quite fantastic, but the first will always be my favorite. :)

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No, but if you look at the huge sucess of it you're by far in the minority.

 

He is the 1% :P

 

Lol JK buy IMO the 3rd LOTR was the best.

 

 

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I saw TPM this morning; it was amazing. It was beautiful. I loved it. Unless you absolutely despise TPM or 3-D, I highly recommend going to see it, if that's an option. The CGI-Yoda is one of the Lucas changes that's actually worthwhile (as is the "screen" addition in the Viceroy's scenes during the first battle). And there's nothing like hearing John Williams' music blaring out while the opening crawl snakes across the big screen (even if it is stuff about taxation and trade disputes).

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Ah, here's the proper place to discuss TPM. :)

 

I actually did have fun watching it (though I had some of the scathing yet hilarious video reviews of it that I've seen on YouTube running through my head the entire time). It was a wonderful memory-jogger to see it on the big screen again, and some of the sequences, particularly the podrace, were just breathtaking.

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Chalk that up as another reason why I despise Queen.

 

 

I can't say I've ever found a truly hilarious video review of the prequels. A lot of them are just as childish and poorly thought out as the movies they're attempting to critique (redlettermedia, anyone?). And this is coming from somone who thinks that Attack Of The Clones is a truly terrible movie that has absolutely nothing to redeem it (Natalie Portman in sexy clothes notwithstanding).

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Oh, I enjoyed the RedLetterMedia review. :P As intentionally childish as it was, that's part of what made it fun to watch, and it made some excellent points.

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I think the guy's voice killed off any entertainment value it may have had for me. I don't know if he was intentionally trying to sound annoying, but it was more insufferable than Jar-Jar (though not as insufferable as the Anakin/Padme romance in AOTC).

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I'm pretty sure he was trying to sound ridiculous. :P If you've watched anything else he's produced, you'll see that he sounds very, very different in real life.

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Ok, fair enough. But I suppose that just as most people refuse to accept that Jar Jar is supposed to be annoying, I can't cotton to the way the guy talks during those vids.

 

And again, I think a lot of the points he makes are just ridiculous. At times it even veers into the sort of critiquing I'd expect from a high school creative writing class (I get it that traditional story arches involve a strong, easily identifiable protagonist whom the story essentially revolves around...but TPM is the first part of a saga, not just a self-contained flick the way ANH was).

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What the hell has Lucas done to Return Of The Jedi? I watched it on Blu-Ray the whole way this time and noticed they messed up the ending. What's up with Vader's ghost?

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Oh, that's been there since the DVD release. The incredibly unnecessary - and detrimental - new addition is Vader's "NO. NOOOOOOOO!" when he decides to throw the Emperor down the shaft.

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Oh, that's been there since the DVD release. The incredibly unnecessary - and detrimental - new addition is Vader's "NO. NOOOOOOOO!" when he decides to throw the Emperor down the shaft.

 

*sigh*. I guess we'll have to settle with the original VHS releases for the pure copies of Star Wars. (N)

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Didn't the DVD releases have the original theatrical versions on them? I can't seem to remember...

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In 2006 they rereleased the DVD's with "bonus discs" that featured the originals. The thing is, they look terrible. They were ripped straight from the Laserdisc issues in the 90's.

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In 2006 they rereleased the DVD's with "bonus discs" that featured the originals. The thing is, they look terrible. They were ripped straight from the Laserdisc issues in the 90's.

 

That's a shame. I guess it was for the best that we have the new digital releases. The only thing that really annoyed me was the end of Return Of The Jedi.

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The problem with the blu-rays is that they contain the same screw-ups as the original DVD's, with even a few more little things changed (as JB said, the worst is the new "nooo" scream). Greedo still shoots, etc.

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Oh, I don't know...I think the entire conversation provided some nice build-up. It's that wonderful "you-know-what's-going-to-happen-and-are-waiting-for-it-in-great-anticipation" feeling.

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There's no doubt after all these years the greatest Star Wars scene is when Vader reveals to Luke he is his father. How many parodies/references are on that scene alone? :lol:

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Nah, the greatest scene is the part on Dagobah where Yoda, talking about the Force, says: "Its energy surrounds us and binds us...luminous beings are we! Not this crude matter." Gives me chills every time.

 

Then again, the scene in the hut where Obi-Wan teaches Luke about the Force is also very moving.

 

 

And then there are the little moments...the look on Luke's face when he sees the ruins of the Lars homestead, the kiss Leia gives him before they swing across the pit, the way Obi-Wan smiles and closes his eyes right as he sacrifices himself so that Luke et. al. can escape...

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Those scenes on Dagobah used to bore me as a kid...but they mean so much more now. Nothing in Star Wars makes me tear up more than seeing Yoda's tranquil yet magnificent Force-lifting Luke's X-Wing out of the swamp.

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Yeah, when I was a kid, I thought that Empire was horrible (mainly due to Dagobah) and that Jedi was the best thing ever. Now, of course, I believe the opposite.

 

I still think that the Hoth battle scenes are sort of boring, though.

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When Gummi Bear Yoda realizes that you're about to eat him, does he scream the way he does when Luke thinks about Leia and Han and loses his balance? I'd imagine that he would.

 

Either that, or he'd let out that senile laugh he's so fond of in his first scenes in Empire, so that you would be afraid of catching Mad Cow Disease, or whatever the Yoda-species equivalent of that would be.

 

 

Weird thoughts, I know these are. Doing schoolwork, I should be.

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I knew a guy in high school who got the Yoda voice perfect. He was also the kind of guy who had memorized Monty Python & The Holy Grail, The Matrix, and the entire Star Wars trilogy, so we of course made him recite all of Yoda's lines from all of the movies whenever we were in need of amusement. This reached a particular head in the months leading up to and following the release of Revenge Of The Sith. Good times.

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Whenever I need a laugh, I can always remember Yoda's wacky line, "Around the survivors a perimeter create!" Somehow, it sounds so ridiculous compared to the other things he says. :P

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I think pretty much all of his dialogue in episodes 2, 3, and 6 is ridiculous, but yeah, that line in particular is rather cringe-worthy. It just fails on every level, including the inverted language (which, as with pretty much all post-Empire Yoda dialogue, sounds like a bad parody).

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I think Mace Windu has even more laughable lines, even though that may well be more of a character flaw than anything.

 

 

Mace: The boy IS the chosen one.

 

Qui-Gon: So he is to be trained then?

 

Mace: No.

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Nevertheless, he is dangerous and not to be trained.

 

 

(Why didn't they just kill him? Anakin, I mean. If they thought he was so dangerous...)

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You know, we all know the plan was for Leia and Han to have kids and make a new race of Jedi. Think he'll ever write episode 7?

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No, I don't think he ever will, and that's really my response to anyone who says that Lucas is just in it for the money. I think he genuinely does care about the story...otherwise, he'd be making the sequels, or else hiring them out to people and then providing minimal input (similar to Empire, or his original plans for the post-ANH future).

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No more Star Wars thank you. After watching Clone Wars yesterday, I can confirm that there would be more nails in the coffin than we'd like to see for modern Star Wars.

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I actually enjoy The Clone Wars, believe it or not. It's far more entertaining for me than the prequels ever will be. :)

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A while ago, someone made a stop-motion Lego music video of God Save the Queen (by the Sex Pistols). 'Twas truly epic. <3 Legos.

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...ok, so ajmiam raised this question on another thread: should we consider Anakin to be "good" and Vader to be "bad"? Was Vader "bad" when he killed the Emperor? Was Anakin "good" when he slaughtered the sand people? What do "good" and "bad" mean (either from our terms, or via the relatively black & white lens of the Star Wars universe)?

 

Was Obi-Wan right when he talked about "the good man that was your father died" and all that stuff?

 

So many questions...

 

 

 

(Edit: Sorry about the double post. Can an admin delete the first post? Thanks.)

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